Empire of Atlas

[Guest]

Atlas was the namesake of Atlantis, Atlas Mountains, and Atlantic Ocean, so where do you suppose are the submerged ruins of Atlantis?

Did the ancient Egyptian priest Manetho have it right that ancient Egypt went back to about 2500 B.C., or did the ancient Egyptian priest Solon have it right that Egypt went back to about 10000 B.C. (when he says Atlantis went under)?

We have an Atlas of Maps, and Atlas was renowned as a navigator, who mapped by the stars, so where was his great maritme empire, Atlantis, and did it really exist at around 10000 B.C., as the ancient Egyptian priest Solon said?

The ancient Brits referred to Avalon, the Berbers to Attalan, the Dutch to Atland, the Mexicans to Atlan, the Romans to Atlantes, so where was this place?

[Guest]

Essan, here is some google material to start your Atlantis work.

[marduk]

do you have any evidence that proves Solon was an egyptian priest ?

Manetho is regarded as completely bonkers by most sane individuals and his chronology goes back as far as the gods being on earth during zep Tepi, which was sometime before "about 2500bce".Solon at no time claimed that Egypt went back to 10,000bce or that Atlantis was an egyptian colony

and it wasn't the Brits that referred to Avalon it was the Celts (how is Avalon simialr to Atlantis anyway, you mean because it has an "A" and an "N" in it.thats a little thin)

the mexicans didn't refer to Atlan that was just the Aztecs

the Romans didn't refer to Atlantes, that was just Herodotus (father of lies)

the Greek geographer Ptolemy in the 2d cent compiled the first collection of maps while working at Alexandria (later burned by christians) but it wasn't until Gerardus Mercator published Atlas sive cosmographicae in 1595 that Atlas became connected with maps. and even then only because he used an image of the greek god Atlas holding up the world on the front cover

really Jim if you're going to speculate thats fine
but don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you do so


and why say that to Essan
he knows more about this subject than you do
and he didn't get it via Google either

[Guest]

From where do you think the idea came to relate Atlas to maps Marduk?

Ah yes, Aztec from Aztlan, which was across the eastern ocean.

Essan said he has little knowledge on this subject.

[marduk]

From where do you think the idea came to relate Atlas to maps Marduk?

because the image of Atlas on mercators cover holds a globe
come on jim thats fairly obvious

its nothing to do with Atlas himself navigating anything
be a bit difficult seeing as he was holding up the heavens his whole life wouldn't it

[Guest]

Holding up the heavens is a metaphor for the ancient precession mapping of the "round face of the earth and the arch of the sky," so Marduk, why is he associated with ancient maps, if he is, according to you, a stupid lummox?

[Harte]

Atlas was the namesake of Atlantis, Atlas Mountains, and Atlantic Ocean, so where do you suppose are the submerged ruins of Atlantis?

Did the ancient Egyptian priest Manetho have it right that ancient Egypt went back to about 2500 B.C., or did the ancient Egyptian priest Solon have it right that Egypt went back to about 10000 B.C. (when he says Atlantis went under)?

Solon was Greek. In fact, he was one of the greatest statesmen Athens ever had, as well as a fairly well known and respected poet.

Perhaps you ought to try actually reading Plato before you further tear his works to shreds.

We have an Atlas of Maps, and Atlas was renowned as a navigator, who mapped by the stars, so where was his great maritme empire, Atlantis, and did it really exist at around 10000 B.C., as the ancient Egyptian priest Solon said?

Again, the Athenian statesman Solon.

Why do you say that the second generation Titan Atlas, who betrayed Zeus and his band of rebels, was "reknowned as a navigator" and "mapped by the stars?" That is, I mean, beyond the obvious reason - that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

The ancient Brits referred to Avalon, the Berbers to Attalan, the Dutch to Atland, the Mexicans to Atlan, the Romans to Atlantes, so where was this place?

The physicists refer to antimatter, the writers refer to anthologies, the Californians refer to Catalina, the military cries Attention!, there once was an Arab called Atta, the waiters cry "At last"....

From where do you think the idea came to relate Atlas to maps Marduk?

Atlas the Titan has been associated with the concept of the "entire world" since the myth was fabricated that he held up the sky (later morphed into holding up the world on his shoulders.)

This symbolic use of the name of the Titan Atlas actually pre-dates Plato.

Ah yes, Aztec from Aztlan, which was across the eastern ocean.

The Aztec date from the modern era, around a thousand years after Plato was dead, and came from somewhere around California, based on the analysis of the evolution of their language, Nahuatl. Nothing at all to do with anything anywhere near the Atlantic Ocean at any time during even Plato's life, or that of even Solon, so they certainly had nothing at all to do with any "ancient civilization" extant in the "western ocean" 9,000 years before Solon.

Harte

[oldarchystudent]

Harte - do you mind if I make a suggestion?

[Guest]

Hey Harte, Atland, Avalon, Attalan, Atlantes, Aztlan, Atlan, were all described as being of the eastern Atlantic, and there are many submerged megalithic structures in the Gibraltar area, so what do you say about that? Who do you suppose built the now submerged megaliths off Tarifa, Rota, Chipiona, Huelva, and Lixus, who built them Harte, or do you say they don't exist?

[Harte]

[Guest]

Ok then Harte, let's see some "good grounds for belief," or have you already done your best with your baseless fundie Darwinite mantras?

[Guest]

Herodotus called the people of coastal northwest Africa the Atlantioi, and Carthage means New City (Kart Hadasht), and the citadel/temple of Carthage was surrounded by rings of shipping canals, connected to the sea, like Atlantis, so Harte, comment?

[marduk]

Herodotus called the people of coastal northwest Africa the Atlantioi

no he didn't

[Guest]

Then what do you think he called them, the people of northwest Africa?

[marduk]

this is quite common Knowledge Jin
he named them Atlantes
they didn't call themselves that
and he named them after Mt Atlas
which wasn't named that until he called it that name first which it was his right to do as the first greek scholar who ever reached it (allegedly)

so there goes your mediteranean Atlantis
you know Herodotus picked up the title "father of lies" for a reason

in addition Plato at no time mentions the atlantic in the original text of Timaeus
and Strabo is a far better source on the location of the pillars than the phoenecians ever could be.
they couldn't find it so chose the temple on the rock as a best guess

Because of your belief system you will never come any closer than this because you can't factor in that the earth has been around since 9500bce (platos date of deluge) so therefore can't factor in that not all seas and land are the same as they are today
you're looking for something in plain sight which when last seen was reportedly washed away