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figured in Egyptian rites:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15475319/
An interesting read from our news today. Enjoy!
But back in 1470 B.C., this was the agenda for one of ancient Egypt's most raucous rituals, the "festival of drunkenness," which celebrated nothing less than the salvation of humanity. Archaeologists say they have found evidence amid the ruins of a temple in Luxor that the annual rite featured sex, drugs and the ancient equivalent of rock 'n' roll.
The discoveries at the Temple of Mut parallel historical references to drunken rituals during Egypt's Greco-Roman period. The writer Herodotus reported in 440 B.C. that such festivals drew as many as 700,000 people — with drunken women exposing themselves to onlookers. "More grape wine is consumed at this festival than in all the rest of the year besides," Herodotus wrote. The festival also turns up in chronicles from around A.D. 200.

The new twist in Bryan's work is that such rituals were found to have taken place during a much earlier time in Egyptian history, said Aidan Dodson, an Egyptologist at the University of Bristol. "She's actually found the first definite evidence," he told MSNBC.com.

Dodson agreed with Bryan that getting drunk was definitely part of the ritual. "Clearly the Egyptians enjoyed a drink or three," he said. What's more, the parallels to the Sekhmet myth provide a "good theological basis" for what otherwise might be considered bad behavior.
the debate over sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll in ancient times has added a little spice to the sometimes-staid field of Egyptology. "It certainly seems to have gotten people interested," Bryan acknowledged.
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You did not catch me this time. I read this article earlier in Archaeologica news. When I saw you post the Sex and Booze topic I thought "Uh-Huh, there she goes again"

Interesting article. Just shows that some things never change.

Hope you had a good weekend. :wink:
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Obviously, this ritual became the foundation of the Toga Party:
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which celebrated nothing less than the salvation of humanity.

I've felt that way myself, many times!


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Booze was frowned upon in Tenochtitlan (unless you were over 52, in which case they seemed to think it didn't really matter if you got off your face on cactus brew) although it featured in certain ceremonies, the most unwittingly hilarious (to me) of which was the feast of Ometochtli. Inga Clendinnen describes it on page 198 of 'Aztecs: An Interpretation' (Cambridge University Press). Imagine this as a speeded up film with Keystone Kops soundtrack:

"Vessels of strong pulque were set up, and two hundred and sixty drinking tubes laid beside them. Then, after the dance and procession, the God's servitors rushed to the jars, and began a frantic scuffle among the two hundred and sixty for the single tube which was bored right through. With the finding of the pierced tube the fury ceased. The defeated fell back and watched as the triumphant one stood, sucking happily, until the pulque was quite finished." (Florentine Codex, 2: Appendix, 207.)

You can't tell me these people didn't know how to have a good time.
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That's a silly custom, W/A.

There should have been two functional tubes!


Who likes to drink alone?
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And an older article on the importance of mead/beer in the Iron Age:
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba57/feat2.html
In one corner stood an enormous bronze cauldron with decorative cast bronze lions around the rim. Badly worn, and repaired several times, the cauldron had clearly enjoyed hearty use over a number of years. And inside, to accompany our chieftain to the Otherworld, it contained over 600 pints (350 litres) of mead. By the time the grave at Hochdorf near Stuttgart was excavated by Jörg Biel in 1978-79, the mead had become a dark, shrunken, cake-like deposit in the bottom of the cauldron.
Dispensing prodigious quantities of alcoholic drink to followers was an important part of the political career of a prehistoric leader in western Europe during this period. The archaeology is supported by documentary sources, not only near-contemporary classical texts such as Poseidonius (2nd century BC) but also later texts from Ireland and Wales reflecting the continuation of the tradition.
These texts suggest that the ability to give feasts awash with alcoholic liquor was a key part of a leader's claim to rule. Such feasts might take place at inauguration ceremonies such as dynastic weddings, or to accompany the distribution of loot or booty from raids or trading expeditions.
Feasts of various types - community feasts, work-party feasts given to reward workers for the completion of communal building projects, ritual or even 'political' feasts - have roots deep in prehistory.

Ceramic vessel sets probably used to consume beer or mead appear mainly in male burials from the late Neolithic.
The political symbolism of drinking, particularly the connection between laith (Irish for liquor) and flaith (Irish for sovereignty or lordship), appear to have been maintained through time as well. Drinking horns, such as those found at Hochdorf, are frequently referred to as symbols of authority and kingship in Irish poetry, and as late as the 15th century a 300-year-old drinking horn was cited by the Kavanagh family as the basis for their claim to the kingship of Leinster.
The connection between the right to rule and the ability to host a feast at which alcoholic beverages are distributed is a constant in the Irish and Welsh literature. In the Irish Baile in Scail, for example, Conn and his followers are brought by the Phantom before a seated girl wearing a gold crown, with a silver vat in front of her, and a vessel of gold and a gold cup. As in most accounts of such inauguration feasts, the girl is the personification of Ireland, and whoever she offers the ale of sovereignty to will become king in a symbolic wedding ritual.
The fact that I find nothing unusual in citing a drinking horn as a claim to kingship must surely come from my Welsh/Irish heritage :shock:
I also enjoyed the short article at the bottom titled 'Drink before history'
Beer and mead, and combinations of mead-beer-fruit wine like the Danish concoction described above, are all still being made today by home brewers. The Sumerians left us written instructions for the production of beer without hops, and similar gruel-like ales that must be sipped through a straw are still produced in some parts of Africa, and elsewhere. The earliest ales were more of a mildly intoxicating food than a beverage.

They were also relatively low in alcohol content compared to mead. However, 'mead' covers a number of variations depending on the amount of honey used, the length of time spent in fermentation, and how the beverage is subsequently mixed.

Iron Age mead was not as potent as the wine produced in the Greek and Roman worlds. If Iron Age élites were concerned with the mood-altering impact of alcoholic beverages - looking to get the biggest bang for their buck - that would explain, at least in part, the appeal of Mediterranean booze.
Anyone else with drinking tales of their favorite peoples?
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http://www.inblogs.net/fayrouz/2005/12/ ... -beer.html
Historical records and archeological findings prove the science of brewing originated by the Sumerians and Chaldeans over 6,000 years ago
http://www.roie.org/bab.htm
From Sumerians and Babylonians we learned to use the sexagesimal system, based on number 60 (for instance, 1 hour = 60 minutes). They invented the first writing system, cuneiform writings on clay tablets to facilitate trade in Mesopotamia. They also invented beer, which facilitated mobilization of Sumerian laborers in public building projects
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Sounds kinda like spring break in Daytona Beach.
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Yes, that's the beer covered. So who invented sex? That's what I'd like to know? :?
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A new study champions the health benefits of red wine!
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The discovery of the fermentation process could be responsible for the end of the hunter/gatherer lifestyle. :wink:
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Fermentation

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The discovery of the fermentation process could be responsible for the end of the hunter/gatherer lifestyle.
Abolutely. That, and vaseline! :D
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Cognito wrote:
The discovery of the fermentation process could be responsible for the end of the hunter/gatherer lifestyle.
Abolutely. That, and vaseline! :D
I'm not sure quite what you're trying to say and I don't think I want to know.
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Post by Roberto »

Sex and Booze .... hummm .... sounds like a nice combination to me!
As Jimmy said "Let's Get Drunk and Screw!" :D
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