Stonehenge

[Beagle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 48,00.html

The little sketch is a bird's eye view of the stones, and shows the great trilithons, the biggest stones in the monument, each made of two pillars capped with a third stone lintel, which stand in a horseshoe in the centre of the circle. Only three are now standing, but the drawing, found in Douai, northern France, suggests that in the 15th century four of the original five survived.

From The Daily Grail.

[Sam Salmon]

Well if that's what it really looked like the good folks in Maryhill, Washington have some renovations to look forward to.

http://englishriverwebsite.com/LewisClarkColumbiaRiver/

[marduk]

its a pretty poor fake imo
for those of you who aren't linguists you might like to know that the word Stone wasn't in use in english during this period
in England we were still using the old english word "Stan" and so the chances that the french were using a modern english word in the 15th century are extremely small
hehe

even the word Henge wasn't used until the 18th century

the manuscript also spells the name "Merlin" as "Merlin" when during this period he was known as "Myrddhin"
those people at the guardian will believe anything

and on lined paper as well (not until the 19th century)
compare with

St. Brendan and the whale from a 15th century manuscript

The late medieval geographical manuscript of La Sphera by Leonardo Dati (1360-1425)

15th century Dutch or French manuscript in Latin. Manuscript 64, University of Washington Libraries Special Collections.

lines originate with musucal manuscripts where they were essential for recording the notes
heres a real 15thcentury lined manucscript

Choir Book, Feast of Corpus Christi page
15th century
ink on vellum
see the difference

[Cognito]

I have some experience with calligraphy and handwriting analysis and can see on first blush that the word "Stonehenge" is not written in the same style as the rest of the manuscript ... it's added as an afterthought ... and I am not considering the difference in letter-point size. I am not well-versed in Medieval parchment, but cannot understand why there would be ruled lines on it.

[Charlie Hatchett]

I am not well-versed in Medieval parchment, but cannot understand why there would be ruled lines on it.

Right, Cog?

Marduk, you bring up some really good points. I can't believe the press ran with it...wait, yeah I can...

I remember reading an article in Discovery (I believe) a few years back about a dinosaur find, in which a "successful" DNA sample showed "unequivocally ", the dino had 100% turkey DNA. I was ROTFLMAO.

Some dummy probably dropped a piece of his turkey sandwich in the sample....



You should write a letter to the editor, Marduk...or thier competition...

[Cognito]

Refer to the Online Etymology Dictionary:

http://www.etymonline.com/

Type in "henge" and read what comes up. Doesn't look good for the forger.

[marduk]

I already said that

even the word Henge wasn't used until the 18th century

you can hotlink to it you know

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=henge

[Digit]

Charlie, the Guardian doesn't HAVE any competitors, it's in class of its own.

[marduk]

Charlie, the Guardian doesn't HAVE any competitors, it's in class of its own.

oh i don't know
the Daily sport is on a par with it
along with the Beano

[Charlie Hatchett]

Charlie, the Guardian doesn't HAVE any competitors, it's in class of its own.

Some Guardian, ey?

[Beagle]

I have some experience with calligraphy and handwriting analysis and can see on first blush that the word "Stonehenge" is not written in the same style as the rest of the manuscript ... it's added as an afterthought ... and I am not considering the difference in letter-point size. I am not well-versed in Medieval parchment, but cannot understand why there would be ruled lines on it.

It's a forgery? That figures. Well, blame the French.

[stan]

I was suspicious, too...
Good to hear from you, marduk.
Is your probation period over?

[Digit]

Marduk, you're posted as Newbury. Is it Newbury or one of the villages? One of the happiest parts of my childhood was spent in Eastbury, do you know it?
I also went to Ormand House for secondary education and worked in the town for a while before all the massive building in the area started then I moved on to work in the aircraft industry. Best engineering education in the world.

[Cognito]

I have some experience with calligraphy and handwriting analysis and can see on first blush that the word "Stonehenge" is not written in the same style as the rest of the manuscript ... it's added as an afterthought ... and I am not considering the difference in letter-point size. I am not well-versed in Medieval parchment, but cannot understand why there would be ruled lines on it.

It's a forgery? That figures. Well, blame the French.

Notice that the "h" is flourished in the word "Stonehenge" while it is not in the word on the bottom right. The first "e" is written differently than the second and third "e"'s in "Stonehenge". The first has a "foot" at the bottom which is the writer's normal style as evidenced by most of the other "e"'s in the document ... that is not totally consistent, but when a calligraphy writes in a certain manner he tends to remain consistent. The "t"'s are different also. That, and the fact as Marduk pointed out that the word "henge" wasn't in use until about 1740, results in a forgery. If someone bothered to analyse the ink, I would bet the "Stonehenge" ink does not match the rest of the document since that word appears to have been added later.

[marduk]

that in itself isn't so remarkable
when manuscripts were prepared in this period it was quite common for someone else to do the artwork apart from the author
but the spelling is contemporary