Current Biblical Archaeology

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:34 pm

Glad to see you're feeling better....

thank you but i am not feeling better. korean practice dentistry a lot differently than north america and it is a tedium that has to be endured.

i realize i may have to break down and read finkelstein to get his exact evidence but from what you quote, i can see that he is stretching many finds to fit his thnking.

and still pulling the same old denial routine.

i am not the one indenial, i just can't accept his conclusions nor can i give dever any due because he is too arrogant and misleading. the BAR is supposed to publish a review of dever's book and i have been waiting for that to be sent out.

i have also gone through the articles i posted again, and i found something interesting in the footnote:

And Yehuchal's 'business card' is actually one of several that have been discovered in the last decade, which gives further testimony to the veracity of the biblical account of the king's court activities prior to heruslaem's destruction. King Nebuchadnezzar's fires razed the city, but those same fires solidified the clay seals like a kiln, preserving them in good condition and fully legible. they bear dozens of hebrew names, two of them belonging to characters in the Bible who were contemporaries of Yehuchal. one of those is Gemaryahu Ben Shafan, one of King Yehoyakim's scribes , in whose chamber Baruch Ben Neria read Jeremiah's words of rebuke and repentance (Jer. 36:10). Another name is Azaryahu Ben Hilkiyahu, a member of the family of high priests who officiated before Jerusalem's destruction (I Chron. 9:10)

so again, itis not me who is in denial but finkelstein and his follwoers whoseek to undermine the biblical account.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:44 pm

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:15 pm

Right now, the general consensus of archaeological opinion on the Tel Dan stele seems to be that there was a "house" of David. Logically, if there was such a 'house' there must have been someone named 'David' to found it.

However, much like the legends which grew up about Davy Crockett or George Washington, reality stops with their existence. Finkelstein portrays the founder of the dynasty as a reformed bandit who never amounted to much more than a tribal chieftain of a shithole little country.

The grandeur was added later.....much as castles and chivalry were added to the Arthurian legends by later writers.

Until Tel Dan is overthrown, I think we are stuck with the idea of a Davidic line......but not the rest of the crap associated with it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:54 pm

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:26 pm

The thing about Tel Dan is that while it mentions, allegedly, the House of David, it does not otherwise substantiate the biblical claim of the story.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:35 pm

Finkelstein portrays the founder of the dynasty as a reformed bandit who never amounted to much more than a tribal chieftain of a shithole little country

that is only finkelstein's opinion. he has no proof that what he presents is true.

Right now, the general consensus of archaeological opinion on the Tel Dan stele seems to be that there was a "house" of David. Logically, if there was such a 'house' there must have been someone named 'David' to found it

right, which coincides with the biblical record not finkelstein. one cannot be a bandit and establish 'a house' plus why would a bandit be immortalized in such a way on a stele? so far i haven't read of any.

finkelstein's arguments crumble when scrutinized closely.

The thing about Tel Dan is that while it mentions, allegedly, the House of David, it does not otherwise substantiate the biblical claim of the story

moreso than it does finkelstein's proposal.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:27 pm

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:29 pm

Indeed, see the festival of denial, above.

Poor arch...can't handle the fact that everyday the bible is more and more revealed to be a pile of shit.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:53 pm

Poor arch...can't handle the fact that everyday the bible is more and more revealed to be a pile of shit.

that is not even close to being true. you hold up finkelstein as the only one who can make an interpretation or concusion when in reality he is just another researcher who mis-interprets the evidence.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:07 pm

You overvalue it because you believe in it.

Rational people regard it as crap.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:14 pm

anyways, the fact remains that there are numerous discoveries, which support the biblical record, not being given their proper public viewing as the 'peer review' system seeks to censor what information gets out.

the alter of joshua is a prime example of this as appeasing muslims is the favorite pastimes so the oil continues to flow to the western world.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:18 pm

Rubbish.

Zertal can't convince a majority of jews that his 'altar' has anything to do with Joshua. We know there were altars all over, btw....your friggin' bible bitches and moans about them....after they decided that jews could only worship in the temple in Jerusalem.

When was that? Sometime after the exile, wasn't it? Before that, Yahweh was just one more god in the pantheon. Nothing special.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:08 pm

since we are talking about jerusalem, here is a non-scholarly overview of its history:

http://shamar.org/articles/histjeru.htm

Jerusalem is a city rich in history, tradition and culture. It's also one of the main focal points of the United Nations and the world. This article will show the history of Jerusalem as it is presented in the Scriptures: without interpretation or speculation. The aspect of prophecy will not be addressed as this is not a part of the literal history of Jerusalem

i will return to zertal and the alter later.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:12 pm

This article will show the history of Jerusalem as it is presented in the Scriptures: without interpretation or speculation.

In other words....the article is worthless.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:17 pm

it is to help those who are beginning learners of biblical archaeology or who know little of the city.