Current Biblical Archaeology

wtrfall · Post by **wtrfall** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:50 pm

You cannot understand anything by reading excerpts.

this is true!!!
well I must get some shut eye. my brain is full now

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:51 pm

wtrfall wrote:
You cannot understand anything by reading excerpts.
this is true!!!
well I must get some shut eye. my brain is full now

The exact opposite problem that arch has!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:49 pm

well minimalist, everything isee you write leans towards the fact of what i have been saying. a person's conclusions are influenced by their biased, their anger, their beliefs and so on.

it is not a fallback position to conclude that one cannot dig where people are laready living. what is convenient is that people on your side take sparse evidence and make conclusions then argue from their bias.

they also take for evidence the absence of proof, which only serves to remind us that not everything has been discovered. just becuase a little hamlet of a piece of jerusalem is found it does not mean that that was all there was of the city.

i live in a small town and it is not hard to find where the wealth is, thus even if jerusalem was as small as finkelstein says, it does not preclude that wealth was absent from the village. it is only wishful and hateful thinking to think so.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:08 pm

Do you ever know what you are talking about?

Everytime someone puts a shovel in the ground in Israel there are archaeologists there to see what might turn up? How do you think they found that early church which was discussed here not too long ago?

The Israelis are the most archaeology-obsessed people on the face of the earth...and, to give them credit...they don't stop just because they are finding things that don't suit their agenda.

Or yours.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:09 pm

what is convenient is that people on your side take sparse evidence and make conclusions then argue from their bias.

And what is even more apparent is that you bible thumpers disregard whatever evidence is found and cling to your outmoded superstititons.

It's the 21st century, arch. Let's get with the program.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:47 am

that is your perspective and you are free to believe that if you want. sorry but i will stay with the Bible.

Besides, if everyone agreed with you, there would be no discussion just a bunch of yes men having a group hump. i will stay with my beliefs and continue to keep you honest.

Leona Conner · Post by **Leona Conner** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:23 am

[quote]continue to keep you honest.[/quote]

How? He already tells the truth. Okay, so he can be sarcastic as hell, but he does tell you the truth. But then as I alway say, "truth like beauty, lies in the mind of the beholder."

So as soon as you get the cobwebs out of your brain, you will see the truth.

wtrfall · Post by **wtrfall** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:54 am

live in a small town and it is not hard to find where the wealth is, thus even if jerusalem was as small as finkelstein says, it does not preclude that wealth was absent from the village. it is only wishful and hateful thinking to think so.

doesnt the bible say all that wealth was ransacked and nothing was left??
so it archeologists would be hard pressed to find evidence, and thus confirm the biblical accounts?

and I thought Solomons temple was in a different location?

PS: Sorry if this was already discussed (my apologies)

I think staying objective will get the best results for all, two heads are better than one, aside from personal beliefs.

I have my own personal beliefs too) but i am interested to discover true facts as they are found and not interpret them and twist them to support my own views. True science is like that you know

wtrfall · Post by **wtrfall** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:00 am

Leona Conner wrote:
continue to keep you honest.

who said that?
I have to go back and read where? its not on thispage is it???

(sigh)

Leona Conner · Post by **Leona Conner** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:11 am

[quote]who said that?
I have to go back and read where? its not on thispage is it??? [/quote]

Archaeologist said that on his post just prior to my last.

By the way Arch, whenever are you going to start reading books by someone other than people with an agenda to serve, or so they call themselves. Did a search on Del Ratzsch and he was listed only under sites dedicated to Christian philosophy. They are all masters in the good old double talk, no matter how many times you read something you can't figure out just what they are saying.

wtrfall · Post by **wtrfall** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:24 am

We have just enough religion to hate each other, but
Not enough to love each other.
Jonathan Swift

I like that saying. it is so true.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:19 am

I regard it less as 'keeping me honest' than as being a good straight man for my jokes, arch.

Hey, wtrfall, if I may ask...just how old are you?

More exciting here than the other board, eh Leona?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:28 pm

doesnt the bible say all that wealth was ransacked and nothing was left??
so it archeologists would be hard pressed to find evidence, and thus confirm the biblical accounts

he does make a point despite his failings.

unfortunately, i did not find good websites to go to and get up to speed on this discussion so i will keep trying

I regard it less as 'keeping me honest' than as being a good straight man for my jokes, arch.

the problem i find with dever and finkelstein is that they make assumptions long before they should. they come into the study with a pre-fixed belief and dig accordingly, so i doubt that what they do find will be interpretated correctly. now this also goes for those evangelicals who do nothing but try to find something to prove their belief.

if anything they should focus on finding the truthfirst and then they will support their (evangelicals) beliefs but this ransacking of a site by both sides is doing no one any good

wtrfall · Post by **wtrfall** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:20 pm

arch:he does make a point despite his failings

.

Just so I can understand, and not start assumptions
on my part,
do you mean my failings?
I am prone to think not, since I have hardly said too much yet to be considered failing.

Minimalists I am not a babe if you are wondering, I am one of those,
old colledge students, in search of carreer change
and an unsatiable need to learn new things. Especially in science.

So I am back in college and it is wonderful.

.

I am the young age of 45.

I probably should have introduced myself, sorry

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:44 pm

Minimalists I am not a babe if you are wondering, I am one of those,

LOL. No that's not what I meant.

Let me explain.

Another board I belong to is dedicated to a computer game which has been extensively modded ( i.e. adjusted by computer guys who have nothing better to do with their time.) I have tampered with the thing a bit myself and I was trying to help a kid install my changes one night when he suddenly announced that he had to go to bed to get up for school. I left him a last e-mail asking how old he was and the following morning he told me he was 14.

I told him that I had shirts older than that but was glad I had watched my language while helping him.

For some reason I never think of archaeology as being of interest to very young people but one never knows. At 45, you're cool.