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You continue this line of thought and your fellow creationist bible thumpers will beat you soundly about the head and shoulders
let them, i have been an outcast for decades. God isn't an evolutionist, it is those evolutionists that just won't give credit to the Bible but that is par for the course. they see the truth nd ignore it.
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I might want to join them for that little party.
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you are probably not invited
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Rats!
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othe than the exodus what else is finkelstein and dever trying to disprove??

are they going to say that solomon's temple did not exist eventhough the wailing wall is the last piece still standing?
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Jesus H Christ on a crutch. Are you that dumb?

The WAILING WALL (may) be the last surviving remnant of HEROD's temple built during the first century BC. There is not a single relic of Solomon's temple which, if it existed at all, was probably a dirt hut like the rest of 10th century BC Jerusalem.

Some scholars question whether the current Wailing Wall is really part of Herod's retaining wall or is rather some later Roman construction. The Romans levelled Jerusalem after the bar Kochba revolt. Historically, the Romans levelled few cities, Carthage and Corinth come to mind...but when they did it they did it right.

It is singularly unlikely that they would have gone through all the trouble to demolish the city and left part of a wall that was any part of the temple which caused all the trouble, standing. The Romans were notoriously unsentimental about such things.

In either case....it has nothing whatsoever to do with Solomon.
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Ummmm, about the Romans and their zeal to destroy certain places.

There are still bits and pieces of old Carthage still standing today. Not much - the Romans did indeed do a pretty good job. But they didn't get it ALL.

And most went back to Rome, in carts on which wags wrote, apparently in bits of chalk, the immortal slogan, "Veni, vidi, vici."

But anyhow - there's no reason to think that bits and pieces of Jerusalem did not remain standing above the rubble, much as Berlin did afer the ruin of that city's 1945 battle. I ended up living in some of that stuff, still badly shot up, 20 years later.
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The Romans did rebuild the city as Aelia Capitolina themselves and settled it, as usual, with retired veterans. I'll have to go looking for the link as it was pretty interesting stuff.

They also rebuilt Carthage and Corinth because the sites were just too good to pass up. The same cannot be said of Jerusalem.
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good topic is changing and i can take a rest and wait for the books to arrive before proceeding.
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Oh, don't worry. I'll post something else from Finkelstein as soon as he trashes the bible again. Shouldn't take long.
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Not Finkelstein but an inflammatory view on the status of the so-called Wailing Wall. A professor Ernest L Martin has written a book on the subject (although he is a bible-thumper, just like arch). Certainly fits in the category of the thread, though.


http://mikeblume.com/wailing.htm

The western area where the present Wailing Wall is located, served as absolutely no interest to the Jews until the 16th century.

The western wall that earlier Jews gathered at was around the Gihon Spring. It was there that a new temple construction was started in the time of Constantine (313-325 A.D.), and a second time in the days of Julian the Apostate (362 A.D.). The remnant of the wall for the holy of holies was where all Jews gathered and considered the Western Wall. Benjamin of Tudela changed all of that.
In 1520 A.D. the Jews changed their minds as to what remaining walls were part of the Temple. This was when the Wailing Wall was chosen.

Meir Ben Dov wrote a book entitled THE WESTERN WALL. He claims solidly that the Wailing Wall is not the Western Wall that was mentioned in early Jewish writings.

"There is a tradition that the Temple’s Western Wall remained standing [after the Roman/Jewish War of 66 to 73 A.D.]."

"This is not a reference to the western wall of the Temple Mount [the present Wailing Wall of the Haram, emphasis mine] — all of its walls [those of the Haram] have survived to this day. The western wall about which it was prophesied [by Jews in the Talmudic period] that it would never be destroyed, is the Western Wall of the actual sanctuary, and in the course of time, it [the Western Wall of Herod’s Temple] was razed to the ground completely" (The Western Wall, p.27).

No Jew in history before the sixteenth century thought that outer Western Wall of the Haram esh-Sharif was holy and important.
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but an inflammatory view on the status of the so-called Wailing Wall
i never said i was perfect so i may be wrong on this one this time.
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From what I read, Martin's research was stimulated by his desire to 'prove' the NT account of Jesus' supposedly saying the temple would be destroyed. Of course, if the Wailing Wall were part of the temple, that could not be the case and Jesus would not look like such a hot oracle. Can't have that, can we? Nonetheless, in any case it would be a stretch to call the Western Wall a 'part' of the temple. Part of the temple foundation? Maybe. But certainly not part of the temple itself.

Of course, if you're like me and believe that those words (and all the others) were put in Jesus' mouth by later writers trying to make him look good then the whole thing makes perfect sense.
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Of course, if you're like me and believe that those words (and all the others) were put in Jesus' mouth by later writers trying to make him look good then the whole thing makes perfect sense.
if those words were put in Christ's mouth after then what purpose would peter and paul have. they obviously and recordedly acted on those same words right after the accension so that would deny the theory of later writers.

except of course those that do not believe Christ's words donot believe the Bible but they cannot explain its popularity, longevity and its error free copying over the centuries.
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Just pointing out, and I'm sure you know, that Paul never laid eyes on Jesus.
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